--- Log for 19.06.113 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 days and 14 hours ago 00.00.45 Part Guest52057 00.05.54 Quit linuxstb (Read error: No route to host) 00.06.23 Quit ender` (Quit: Punch a psychic today: ask them if they saw it coming.) 00.06.30 Join linuxstb [0] (~linuxstb@unaffiliated/linuxstb) 00.16.55 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 00.29.59 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 00.41.06 Quit olspookishmagus (Quit: All for nothing) 00.42.39 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01.16.59 Quit AlexP (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01.20.42 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 01.22.47 # <[Saint]> [19:01:43] Not sure if I heard of one person who could restore their player 01.23.11 # <[Saint]> funman: I have assisted the restore of a good half dozen, and two I have acquired personally. 01.23.30 # <[Saint]> It *does* help for some people, but we really need to do some heavy hand-holding. 01.23.46 # <[Saint]> saying "it doesn't help anyone" is quite far from true. 01.41.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.44.03 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130612084701]) 01.45.56 Quit Scromple (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.51.38 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@161.43.73.67) 01.57.13 Quit Scromple (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.04.57 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 02.11.39 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 03.00.41 Quit liar (Remote host closed the connection) 03.02.09 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@161.43.73.67) 03.15.22 Quit thegeek (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.41.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.52.06 Quit krabador (Quit: Bah...) 04.02.47 Join mrtux [0] (~mrtux@unaffiliated/mrtux) 04.36.45 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.36.45 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.36.48 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.37.08 Join amiconn_ [0] 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(~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 07.52.17 Join olspookishmagus [0] (~pookie@host-84-205-241-1.cpe.syzefxis.ote.gr) 08.08.59 Join Gareth_ [0] (~gareth@2607:ff38:2:83::3) 08.09.56 Quit Gareth (Read error: Operation timed out) 08.09.58 Quit Belzebub (Read error: Operation timed out) 08.09.58 Quit simabeis (Read error: Operation timed out) 08.10.09 Quit Elfish (Read error: Operation timed out) 08.12.27 Join Belzebub [0] (torrentow@gateway/shell/sundance.i-rpg.net/x-qzksxxseraoltyxy) 08.13.01 Join simabeis [0] (~simabeis@lobmenschen.de) 08.14.35 Join Elfish [0] (amba@2001:1608:12:1:13:3:3:7) 08.24.41 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 08.31.16 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.34.31 # * [Saint] wonders if pamaury has the record for simultaneous commits 08.35.36 # <[Saint]> 44-in-a-row over two days is pretty impressive. 08.36.20 # <[Saint]> It would've been near 90 over three days if gevaerts didn't sneak a few in. 08.36.57 # <[Saint]> s/3/6/ 08.40.07 # that is easily beatable 08.40.18 # s/beatable/scriptable/ 08.43.42 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08.49.48 # <[Saint]> I could probably do it just by fixing whitespace and spelling errors and pushing each as a seperate commit. 08.49.53 # <[Saint]> ...but, that's no fun. 08.50.48 # <[Saint]> 44 legit commits in a row was something I hadn't seen in...ever. 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I have acquired two "hard bricked" AMS players and recovered both. 12.13.11 # <[Saint]> Bertrik has also recovered a player in this fashion. As well as JdGordon IIRC. 12.13.37 # <[Saint]> (+ the half dozen or so faceless individuals I have assisted in recovering devices through here) 12.14.36 # <[Saint]> In every instance I have poked my nose in on, as long as the individual managed to expose the "recovery partition", we at least got Rockbox to boot. 12.15.18 # <[Saint]> In some instances it seems that the OF can require additional magic the resides on said partition (apparently) to boot. 12.15.25 Quit dfkt_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.15.40 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.17.29 Quit maraz (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 12.17.39 Join maraz [0] (maraz@kapsi.fi) 12.43.55 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.45.43 Quit bluebrother (Read error: Operation timed out) 12.46.06 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 12.47.34 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@f053155175.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12.49.16 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 12.57.02 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 13.07.27 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 13.08.39 Quit ender` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.09.11 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 13.14.12 # [Saint]: do some DAPs have some sort of failsafe that makes bricking them pretty much impossible? 13.14.31 # like some kind of EEPROM or something 13.14.49 # <[Saint]> any iPod past the Nano2G should be "unbrickable". 13.15.01 # nice 13.15.13 # <[Saint]> Including the Nano2G itsel, but there's some fuckery involved. 13.15.28 # <[Saint]> (opening the device and making a short) 13.15.45 # <[Saint]> errrr, not just any short, mind ;) 13.15.54 # <[Saint]> A very specific one. :) 13.16.40 # meh 13.17.18 # <[Saint]> As long as the hardware is good, they should always be recoverable. But you could /probably/ deliberately brick one if you tried hard enough. 13.17.43 # it seems like "bricking" their device is a common fear when it comes to installing Rockbox 13.17.45 # <[Saint]> You would need to put quite some effort into it I imagine, though. 13.18.06 # and I can't really guarantee them myself that that's unlikely 13.18.32 # <[Saint]> for a stable port, the odds _should_ be highly in favor of not bricking the device. 13.18.52 # <[Saint]> for anything else, you're rolling dice, really. Unless its an iPod. 13.19.00 # well I've heard it a lot for the iPod Classic 13.19.06 # which happens to be unstable 13.19.25 # well, labeled "unstable" 13.19.36 # <[Saint]> unusable, rather. 13.19.48 # I stand corrected 13.19.57 # yiou can't actually brick the classic, right? 13.20.00 # it has ROM DFU, no? 13.20.02 # <[Saint]> Nope. 13.20.05 # <[Saint]> Yes. 13.20.31 # The ipods are hard to brick to unbrickable. The iaudios too I believe. The PP sansas can be bricked if the user does something stupid, the AMS sansas are a bit unpredictable (they can be bricked, but I don't think we know the details of what happens), the coldfire irivers are dangerous in the wrong hands 13.22.08 # "cold fire" sounds dangerous indeed 13.22.33 # Well, you can *probably* write code to reflash the ipod EDM code, and that could well brick the things, but nobody's going to do that by accident 13.22.55 # on the PP ipods, yeah, we could do that 13.22.57 # You'd need to reverse engineer quite a bit to be able to do it :) 13.23.00 # we have it written down somewhere how to do it 13.23.07 # but it's not implemented in our code ;) 13.38.39 # <[Saint]> Anything with DFU mode can do the whole "Hey, iTunes, I'm *totally* messed up - fix me" thing, though. 13.38.48 # <[Saint]> and wiping out EDM wouldn't wipe that out. 13.41.29 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 13.41.38 # well what I wonder is how can you damage the part of the flash where OF + rockbox bootloader are stored 13.42.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.43.15 Join hype [0] (~hype@82.199.174.16) 13.45.05 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall)